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<item><title>Build the Wall &#x3a; CJR &#x28;On the Job 
				 &#x2014; January &#x2f; February 2008&#x29;</title><author>ravcasleygera</author><link>http://www.cjr.org/feature/build_the_wall_1.php</link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cocomment.com/BoxCustomized/119886375</guid><description>It&#x27;s funny watching the comments become more hostile as I read down the page&#x2c; as non&#x2d;regular CJR readers dive in from around the internet&#x2e; One of the downsides of twitter etc&#x2e; is that any conversation can be quickly hijacked by a stream of people saying &#x22;I won&#x27;t pay for anything&#x2c;&#x22; &#x22;information wants to be free&#x22; and the like&#x2e; &#x28;And then the inevitable fightback with cries of &#x22;The Internet Sucks&#x22;&#x2e;&#x29; The comment system encourages this kind of argument&#x2c; but more nuance is needed&#x2c; of course&#x2e;

Simon senses something which I think many newspaper people do&#x2c; and evangelists for Free often don&#x27;t&#x3a; a free web&#x2d;based newspaper is&#x2c; by definition&#x2c; a different beast to a print&#x2d;based newspaper in terms of content&#x2e; The web is ill&#x2d;suited to 10&#x2c;000 word articles&#x2c; and its instant&#x2d;sharing nature &#x2d; which seems to get ever more accelerated &#x2d; is ill&#x2d;suited to that sort of conversation&#x2e; That doesn&#x27;t mean that good&#x2c; interesting stuff doesn&#x27;t happen in free&#x2d;world&#x2c; and maybe Simon doesn&#x27;t give enough credit there&#x2e; But the advocates of free &#x2d; and I mean those who argue it &#x2a;should&#x2a; be the model&#x2c; not those who merely argue it &#x2a;will&#x2a; be the model &#x2d; don&#x27;t seem to acknowledge the sheer investment in time and personnel this kind of in&#x2d;depth journalism takes&#x2e; Even if you&#x27;re a huge believer in crowdsourcing you have to accept there are some things that need the professional touch&#x2e; Even in the time of fast food we still cook sometimes&#x2c; and people realise how satisfying it is&#x2e; Similarly&#x2c; even in a time of free quick&#x2d;share information&#x2c; some people&#x2c; some of the time &#x2d; probably better&#x2d;off people &#x2d; will always want to sit and read the paper&#x2c; and will pay for the highest quality stuff&#x2e; Saying &#x22;information wants to be free&#x22; ignores the fact that the best journalism offers more than information&#x2c; but an experience &#x2d; a story well told&#x2c; etc &#x2d; and that stuff can&#x2c; I&#x27;m 100&#x25; certain&#x2c; be charged for&#x2e;

Where I&#x27;m sceptical is in regional&#x2e; I&#x27;ve no doubt the NYT and WaPo must go this route&#x2c; and I&#x27;ve no doubt they will&#x2e; I suspect sooner or later one non&#x2d;profit website will emerge in the US offering free view&#x2d;from&#x2d;nowhere newsto those who want to avoid the more partisan HuffPo media&#x2e; But my gut tells me people won&#x27;t pay for a local newspaper in addition to a national &#x2d; and make no mistake&#x2c; if the NYT and WaPo go this route&#x2c; they will need to nationalise and internationalise themselves fast&#x2e; If your growing revenue stream is from paying subscribers&#x2c; you need&#x2c; at minimum&#x2c; a version of your site which sidelines the local content for them to use&#x2e; If you&#x27;re subscribing to &#x28;say&#x29; the Economist and NYT online for &#x24;20 a month&#x2c; are you going to pay another &#x24;10 for local news&#x3f;</description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cocomment.com/comments/ravcasleygera">ravcasleygera</a> says: </p><p>It&#x27;s funny watching the comments become more hostile as I read down the page&#x2c; as non&#x2d;regular CJR readers dive in from around the internet&#x2e; One of the downsides of twitter etc&#x2e; is that any conversation can be quickly hijacked by a stream of people saying &#x22;I won&#x27;t pay for anything&#x2c;&#x22; &#x22;information wants to be free&#x22; and the like&#x2e; &#x28;And then the inevitable fightback with cries of &#x22;The Internet Sucks&#x22;&#x2e;&#x29; The comment system encourages this kind of argument&#x2c; but more nuance is needed&#x2c; of course&#x2e;<br /><br />Simon senses something which I think many newspaper people do&#x2c; and evangelists for Free often don&#x27;t&#x3a; a free web&#x2d;based newspaper is&#x2c; by definition&#x2c; a different beast to a print&#x2d;based newspaper in terms of content&#x2e; The web is ill&#x2d;suited to 10&#x2c;000 word articles&#x2c; and its instant&#x2d;sharing nature &#x2d; which seems to get ever more accelerated &#x2d; is ill&#x2d;suited to that sort of conversation&#x2e; That doesn&#x27;t mean that good&#x2c; interesting stuff doesn&#x27;t happen in free&#x2d;world&#x2c; and maybe Simon doesn&#x27;t give enough credit there&#x2e; But the advocates of free &#x2d; and I mean those who argue it &#x2a;should&#x2a; be the model&#x2c; not those who merely argue it &#x2a;will&#x2a; be the model &#x2d; don&#x27;t seem to acknowledge the sheer investment in time and personnel this kind of in&#x2d;depth journalism takes&#x2e; Even if you&#x27;re a huge believer in crowdsourcing you have to accept there are some things that need the professional touch&#x2e; Even in the time of fast food we still cook sometimes&#x2c; and people realise how satisfying it is&#x2e; Similarly&#x2c; even in a time of free quick&#x2d;share information&#x2c; some people&#x2c; some of the time &#x2d; probably better&#x2d;off people &#x2d; will always want to sit and read the paper&#x2c; and will pay for the highest quality stuff&#x2e; Saying &#x22;information wants to be free&#x22; ignores the fact that the best journalism offers more than information&#x2c; but an experience &#x2d; a story well told&#x2c; etc &#x2d; and that stuff can&#x2c; I&#x27;m 100&#x25; certain&#x2c; be charged for&#x2e;<br /><br />Where I&#x27;m sceptical is in regional&#x2e; I&#x27;ve no doubt the NYT and WaPo must go this route&#x2c; and I&#x27;ve no doubt they will&#x2e; I suspect sooner or later one non&#x2d;profit website will emerge in the US offering free view&#x2d;from&#x2d;nowhere newsto those who want to avoid the more partisan HuffPo media&#x2e; But my gut tells me people won&#x27;t pay for a local newspaper in addition to a national &#x2d; and make no mistake&#x2c; if the NYT and WaPo go this route&#x2c; they will need to nationalise and internationalise themselves fast&#x2e; If your growing revenue stream is from paying subscribers&#x2c; you need&#x2c; at minimum&#x2c; a version of your site which sidelines the local content for them to use&#x2e; If you&#x27;re subscribing to &#x28;say&#x29; the Economist and NYT online for &#x24;20 a month&#x2c; are you going to pay another &#x24;10 for local news&#x3f;</p>]]></content:encoded><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:26:06 +0200</pubDate></item> 


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